Hi all - several of view will have received a booklet from Haringey Council about the consultation on the the introduction of a CPZ that would effectevely extend the existing CPZ to most of the Alexandra ward, from the railway line to Muswell Hill Broadway.
While this is only the initial consultation, it will be the start of the process and will inform officers on the general opinions and a possible design on the proposal that would go to statutory consultation. It is important, and we Councillors strongly encourage it, that all take part in the exercise whether they are in favor or opposing the proposal.
These are the next steps:
• December 2021: Council Officers will consider the feedback and discuss the outcome of the consultation with your ward councilors. => this will now probably be after in January as we have secured an extention to the deadline to the 10th of January.
• January 2022: Officers will prepare a report with recommendations which will be submitted for a decision to a key officer in consultation with the relevant Cabinet Member.
• January/February 2022: Haringey will write to update you on the outcome of the consultation and decision. If approved, we can then progress to statutory consultation.
• February 2022: Statutory consultation which includes advertising the necessary changes in the local newspapers allowing anyone to object to the proposals.
• March 2022: Officers will prepare a second report with recommendations on whether to implement the changes on the street. This decision is likely to be taken by the relevant Cabinet Member.
• March 2022: Haringey will inform if any changes will be implemented and the timeframe for this.
You can also take part in the consultation online here :
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HI all, you are all already probably aware that the preliminary consultation results indicates that :
Of the roads consulted, none reached the minimum threshold of 51% in favour of parking controls to be introduced
This was not a consultation. It was a Yes-No referendum.
Instead of reducing car parking volume and increasing LTNs as fast as possible Haringey has wasted money on reinforcing the entitled thinking of car owners in Alex Pk West that they need to pay nothing towards the unaffordable cost to the community of each car.
https://www.world-today-news.com/social-costs-of-road-traffic-socie...
The 25% children in Haringey had their rights to clean air and reduced car volume ignored - again.
I live in Victoria Road. There are often parking spaces . Otherwise we park in a nearby street. Ade's suggestion that cars can only be parked on one side of the road is especialy impractical. Re: the proposed restrictions, I have found residents I speak with are generallty prepared to stay with the situation as it is.
'impractical' - for whom?
Of course car owners want the sitation 'to stay as it is'. They are not paying the true cost of owning a car - which costs society 5000Euros pa.
In Haringey, the less wealthy who do not own cars are thus heavily subsidizing car owners.
It is criminal that Haringey Council allows this situation to continue.
The photo below shows a common occurrence: 2 motorists - 1 Veolia lorry driver, 1 car driver - screaming at each other as they could not pass each other at the junction of Victoria/Crescent Road due to parked cars. They got out of their vehicles and the car traffic backed up in Victoria & Crescent Road. The car driver then drove over the pavement to get past the Veolia lorry. Parents adn children could not cross the road. People on bikes could not ride in either road.
This is what you get with a wholly car-centric traffic management policy that does not care about
the climate crisis
air quality,
people who walk or cycle (the majority)
the majority of disabled people who walk (81% in Haringey)
wheelchair users.
Just to remind everyone to send in their consultation responses for or against by 10th January. For additional residents of a house go online. There is quite a bit of opposition to this from all roads in the area.
The consultation is now extended to the 21st.
You can make a response for more than one resident by putting 2nd resident or similar in the address box online.
Hi all - the Aexandra ward councillors have had correspondence with many residents already regarding the CPZ proposals for Alexandra ward , and there's been several questions and concerns raised.
The answers shown below are provided by Haringey Council Officers in response to questions we, as ward councillors sent to them following resident communication:
1. What was the rationale behind excluding the Northwestern roads in Alexandra ward which will be heavily impacted by these proposals? (by this we refer to Muswell Avenue, Windermere Road, Grasmere Road, Thrilmere Road, Grosvenor Road etc.)
Council officers had identified a section of Alexandra Palace that was experiencing parking difficultly due to vehicle displacement from neighbouring CPZs and commuter parking. With that in mind, officers then looked at the wider area surrounding these identified roads and it was established that the roads included in this consultation would benefit from parking controls. By consulting a wider area it helps us to get a better understanding of the parking pressures that are occurring. Areas such as Muswell Avenue and Windermere Road have not expressed their concerns over the lack of available parking in their area and we have had no requests to carry out a consultation in those roads.
2. What was the rationale behind this specific CPZ? Can we have some clarity over the decisions that took place leading up to this?
It is important that we have safe, green travel to prevent our roads from being overrun by cars and to support active travel, which is the ambition of the Council as laid out in its Borough Plan and Transport Strategy. Controlled parking zone installation will support the objectives set out in these documents as well as the wider initiatives to improve air quality and support the health of residents as per the Council’s Climate Change Action Plan.
3. Were there significant requests coming from residents for such a scheme within the proposed CPZ?
I can confirm that we have not had a significant number of requests asking for the introduction of parking controls. Our consultation documents do not cite resident request as the main reason for consulting residents and businesses. the main rational for the consultation is detailed in question 2 response. It should also be noted that there have been a number of changes in the area i.e. Alexandra Palace brining in pay to park for the majority of it’s site which will displace parking to the neighbouring roads.
4. Is there a financial incentive for the council to pursue this?
No – that would be illegal. The income that is generated through permit sales and enforcement is used to fund enforcement and maintenance of CPZs. Should there be a surplus it will be ringfenced for use on future highways schemes.
5. What considerations have been made in terms of the impact this will have on staff working at the schools within the ward who may drive in from outside the area?
Staff that work at schools will be able to apply for an essential service permits. The Council also offers Business Permit where the use of a vehicle to deliver the business is essential. Unfortunately others will to seek alternative transport such as public transport, cycling or walking. Pay by phone parking facilities will be installed as part of the CPZ and this allows visitors to pay to park for a short time to visit shops etc. Further information on permit types is available on the Councils website.
6. What consultation will be taking place with businesses within the CPZ who may also be impacted by the proposals?
All properties within the proposed CPZ (including businesses) area will also have the opportunity to have their say on the proposals and answer the questionnaire. Every business will have by now received a consultation pack along with the residents of the area. In addition all roads within the consultation area will have street posters installed detailing how anyone can participate in the public consultation. All responses will be logged and considered as part of the analysis and decision making process.
7. Will the CPZ be progressed if there is a simple majority in support of the CPZ?
Haringey’s Parking Policy clearly sets out how decision are made on the results public and statutory consultations https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/haringey_cpz_...
Which states:
‘While an area may share the same parking problems, residents may not share the same opinion of controlled parking. A CPZ will therefore be introduced based on the overall response from the area consulted or sub-areas of the consulted area, achieving at least 51% vote in favour of controls unless there are exceptional circumstances, such as a major development planned for the area. This means that some streets may vote against a CPZ, but if surrounding roads support controls, they will be included to ensure that the zone is workable. Where this happens, the rationale will be made available to residents. If there are roads on the periphery of a proposed controlled parking zone area that are not in favour of parking restrictions being implemented, their roads may be removed from the proposed zone where practicable. Part roads will not be included in a CPZ’
8. What happens if one road decisively votes yes and then a neighbouring road opposes?
Please response to question 7 above. Once a consultation has been completed and full analysis is complete these findings are discussed with ward councillors to agree on recommendations for taking forward for approval. Only recommendations supported by ward councillors will be taken forward for approval.
9. Is there a possibility that the final CPZ imposed differs to that of the one proposed? (For example, some roads see the CPZ implemented but others not?)
Yes, the CPZ area at this stage is just a proposal and is open to change. Once we have gathered the responses we will have a better understanding of what roads are in favour of parking controls. The roads included and the operational times of the CPZ will both be chosen by the residents and businesses included in this consultation.
10. Was the poor public transportation within the ward a consideration as many people feel the area is poorly connected?
The councils sustainable transport policy details why it is beneficial for all residents to be either taking public transport, cycling or walking. A controlled parking zone is directly linked to sustainable transport by helping to reduce the commuter parking taking place in the borough which is therefor reducing the amount of vehicle trips made. With the vast amount of alternatives in the borough such as cycle hangers, Zip Cars and public transport links, a proposed CPZ does not take into account the ability that residents outside of the CPZ area or borough will have to park their vehicle during the day. CPZs are implemented to help improve and prioritise parking for residents and local businesses.
11. Can you please clarify which roads have requested a CPZ or a consultation? We don't seem to find anyone who has requested a consultation or that has mentioned parking being a problem;
Our consultation documents do not cite resident request as the main reason for consulting residents and businesses. The main rational for the consultation is that it is important that we have safe, green travel to prevent our roads from being overrun by cars and to support active travel, which is the ambition of the Council as laid out in its Borough Plan and Transport Strategy. Controlled parking zone installation will support the objectives set out in these documents as well as the wider initiatives to improve air quality and support the health of residents as per the Council’s Climate Change Action Plan.
We have recorded enquiries from Rosebury Road, Muswell Road, in addition to this we have received phone calls and complaints through other area’s of works where parking pressures have been raised as a problem but the residents had not specifically requested a CPZ being introduced. As detailed in the previous response, the public consultation of a wider area helps us to get a better understanding of the parking pressures that are occurring and whether resdents would support a CPZ being introduced and if they did which operational days and times they preferred.
It should also be noted that there have been a number of changes in the area i.e. Alexandra Palace brining in pay to park for the majority of its sites which will displace parking to the neighbouring roads.
12. For school staff, when I quoted that 'Staff that work at schools will be able to apply for an essential service permits' I was answered that this will come at a cost of almost 700£ a year. Can you please confirm as I haven't been able to find such category in the 'Cost of Permits' sheet or CPZ Policy you link below
The cost of an essential service permit is wholly dependant on the type of vehicle that is driven and the amount of emissions it produces which can vary from £21 up to £289. Please see attached link to the permitting costs on the councils web site. https://www.haringey.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/parking/parkin...
13. Is there a way for residents from the Lakes roads, assuming there's a willingness to do so, to have their roads included in the CPZ area.
Please do correct me if I am incorrect, but I am assuming that when referring to ‘The Lakes Roads’ residents mean Windermere Road, Grasmere Road, Thirlmere Road and Grosvenor Road. These roads are not within the proposed CPZ area as detailed within the consultation. However with all public consultations all responses are recorded. All recorded responses, along with a detailed summary of results will be presented to and discussed with ward councillors before recommendations are decided upon for inclusion in a decision report that is required after the public consultation has concluded.
14. can residents from the Lakes roads respond to the consultation.
Anyone can participate within a public consultation. As detailed above, all recorded responses, and a detailed summary of results will be presented to and discussed with ward councillors before recommendations are decided upon for inclusion in a decision report that is required after the public consultation has concluded.
15. Are the opinions submitted by the non-APW residents, who of course have not received the notice of the proposed CPZ and the questionnaire, be read and taken into account?
In short, yes, all responses are recorded and presented for discussion with ward councillors ahead of a decision being made.
16. Is the “ new consultation deadline of 10th January “ mean that residents to can submit comments after the old deadline of 22 December?
Yes, all responses received up to and including the 10th of January will be accepted and recorded