Enfield Council have received funding from the DfT for a busgate in Brownlow Road (which runs from Bounds Green station to the North Circular), amongst other things. Here are details, and some commentary from Palmers Green Community website:
What do people think about this? Will it have a big impact on traffic in Durnsford Road and Alexandra Park Road N10 - and what about other roads?
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Also only one cycle route in the whole of the Bowes neighbourhood! (Brownlow is not continuous). Such things might help if they go down more of the side roads.
Have they considered where that traffic will go?
A lot of people have to either join or cross the north circular coming from Durnsford road. They will either be forced into a long detour along Bounds Green road, IF they subsequently allow a right turn onto the north circular, OR, will find a way through the side streets in the Alexandra Park area.
In either event there will be longer queues in Alexandra Park road and Durnsford Road ( alongside a park and play area ) inevitably leading to more pollution and traffic ultimately forced onto side /residential roads as motorists divert. MADNESS!
Yes, it would take some rethinking of routes, wouldn't it! What side streets in the Alexandra Park area were you thinking of?
I understand that one issue is the traffic that comes along Al Pk Rd N10/Durnsford/Brownlow - some of it directed by SatNavs - to avoid a corner of the north circular (so it comes off the north circular, only to go back onto it again). Al Pk Rd N10 traffic doubled in volume at the time SatNavs were being widely adopted - 2011-12 - and has stayed at that level since.
Since then we have had the NCR improvements but if there are no surveys we don't know if traffic is local or long distance.
Have they investigated who is travelling down this route? - it could be people working in Muswell Hill going home to Southgate who don't live on a bus route. The timing on the lights at the A406 is against a rush - may be they need to set longer timing periods for rush hour traffic out of Brownlow ( because that is when the problem occurs). It is all set to let the maximum rush round the NCR and short periods for other directions.
Thinking about it have they added any new bus routes in 30 years or increased frequency much??.
All the existing schemes have just pushed traffic on to that road and the new scheme is going to push it on other roads.
I guess other routes might well take longer. btw the 299 bus goes direct from Muswell Hill to Southgate station - I don't know when that was introduced. It's a different company from the usual Arriva buses.
May be Southgate itself is a bad example but if you live between there and Edmonton it is one or more changes. If you start from say Archway road that is another change. Trips are possible but a car is an attractive alternative.
I absolutely agree with you about the lack of attention to the bus routes - bus users really, really need an effective bus user group! TfL seem to be more responsive to the needs of Underground users than to bus users.
I think what we also need to consider is who makes up the traffic.
A lot of the traffic is made up of tradespeople often working in our area coming from further north. Many are not necessarily joining the n circular but just need to cross it.
Builders, plumbers, etc can't uses buses and with so much renovation going on in our area and further south these people have no option but to drive to their place of work
True, there are lots of workmen and delivery vans that need to get to this area. But there are several crossing points on the north circular - Green Lanes, New Southgate, Colney Hatch Lane - ? I realised when coming down Brownlow the other day how narrow it is - there are such masses of traffic travelling along there you don't notice it. The houses are also close to the roadway, so it is more of a residential road than a main road.
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