All - the Council will engage in a consultation from the 4th September to the 25th September in different areas of the borough for pavement parking removal. In Alexandra the road involved are Palace Gate Road and Crescent Road.
This is what I gather from a recent officer's briefing:
- The consultation follows approval in April 2023 Cabinet of the Footway Parking Policy ( : https://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/documents/s138669/Appendices%20A-D.pdf) where it was decided that all pavement parking not meeting current government guidance will be removed
- Current guidance given: that 2 metres of footway is the ideal width, with 1.5 metres allowable for pinch points. If, due to existing site conditions (highway configuration) a minimum of 1.5 metres cannot be achieved, footway parking will be removed
- After surveying the roads officers have grouped 4 possible options to meet the guidance :
- 1 - move parking from the pavement to the road ,
- 2- Move parking from the footway onto one side of the road and remove footway parking from opposite side of road,
- 3 - Remove footway parking and provide some alternate parking on both sides on the road ,
- 4 - Keep some footway parking .
- Existing disable bays will remain.
Not all options will suite each road and selection of possible options will depend on if there is enough width to meet the guidelines so there will be two possible options for each road.
Residents will receive (hand delivered to each property) a note describing the possible options for the road for comment. Note this is not a Yes/No comment, officers would like to understand the impact and views (pros/cons) about each option.
The timeline given is:
- Decision and recommendations report on one option: Oct/Nov 24
- Update to residents with the proposed layout :Dec 24
- Update letter, setting out the finalised design and when the statutory consultation will commence and how to participate: March/April 2025
I will keep you posted and let you know of any update I receive.
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Links to the Pavement Parking Consultations for Palace Gates Road and Crescent Road are below. Deadline is Wednesday 25 September. It's of course important to respond to these even if you do not live in the roads concerned (and therefore have not received a letter from the Council!).
Palace Gates:
https://new.haringey.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-09/fwp-review-...
Crescent Road:
https://new.haringey.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-09/fwp-review-...
All, I have received communication that the options are:
In Crescent Road :
In Palace Gates Road :
Letters to residents should also start arriving from today, please let me know if this is not the case in the next few days
Great news! Haringey's been slow catching up with other boroughs on this (Islington, Hackney, Enfield, etc etc), but we're getting there, thank goodness.
The staggered option seems preferable as it might discourage speeding.
Hedges seems a related issue, but obviously not of quite the same fundamental global significance!
I suppose the point is that this is a consulation on pavement parking. It isn't a consultation on hedges. Good to talk about, but could perhaps be addressed separately.
It is a local consultation, linked to a global issue. There is a climate emergency, there are too many cars, thousands die every year as a result, and communities are hollowed out. The council getting on with acting on this aims therefore not only to help the community, but also to help mitigate against the lives lost on the roads, and againt the impact of the climate emergency. So yes, of course it's global as well as local. Ironically, hedges might sometimes get in the way on pavements, especially pavements with cars parked on them, but hedges are also very good at sequestering pollution, so it's perhaps not a surprise that the council isn't consulting on removing garden hedges. And a relief, considering how many front gardens have been paved over. It's even been identified as a particular problem in London:
https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/ques...
I agree, hedges can overhang, and I like many have a privet that I'd like to remove and replace with something nicer (not a parking space! Different trees/hedges), but it's currently nothing like as bad as it has been, for example on Palace Gates Road where large SUVs even overhand their pavement parking spaces and hedges went years without being cut. They're mostly trimmed now, so it seems fairly clear that sorting out pavement parking would create a lot more space for people to walk and wheel, and make any hedge challenges a lot easier to deal with.
Pavement parking, as you may know, is actually banned in London, but councils have requested exemptions temporarily to cope with excess cars. It's a good thing that they are finally addressing the issue, and could have a hugely positive impact on our community and others. Worth celebrating, I'd suggest! Especially as our roads were designed for people, horses, bikes and occasional cars, not the current overwhelm. I look forward to many positive chats over garden fences and hedges...
I'm as thrilled as you are to know there will be more pavement for pedestrians.
I'm horrified at how many rear gardens have been paved over -- just in PGR alone!
It was heart wrenching to see -- and hear -- the felling and subsequent chipping of, for example a much admired and healthy magnolia tree which had lived near my house in PGR for decades. Many locals mourned its loss; a tall healthy conifer to the rear of the same property also removed. These and other de-greening projects are a huge loss for all, indeed they are directly connected to the global issue you refer. We agree are many things I'm sure! :-)
However I was highlighting David's comment which I felt had been ignored or downplayed.
Overhanging foliage is a contravention of Highway Code (see David's comment) so there is basis for the council to address, however as hedges et al are constantly growing -- some at very fast rates much more than other varieties-- to raise a singular complaint (thank you Cllr Rossetti for the link) is unlikely to remedy an ongoing problem encountered by many with mobility or visual impairments. Clear and accessible Right of way shouldn't require regular complaints to maintain.
This is not a new topic but as it affects few individuals there seems to be little support, thus David and myself and only a few others bring it up now and again -- especially when relevant.
And right now, in this case it is relevant -- precisely for the reason I stated:
options 3 and 4 (offered by Haringey to PGR) are determined by the width of the path as measured by haringey. As I understand this is done from property line to kerb.
Hence if there is significant (and consistent) overhang or other impingement by foliage along the vertical plane then any measurements taken for the purpose of determining appropriateness of an alternative parking design, would be inaccurate. So David's comment is very relevant.
This parking change is a very good thing and long overdue imo.
I'm looking forward to celebrating big time when PGR and our beloved Alexandra Park neighbourhood is safe and sound -- for all its buildings, residents, and visitors. Got my dancing shoes ready...! 🎉
:))
Okey doke.
Right. I'd be interested to see stats to back up the assertion that 'at least as much footpath would be restored to us by enforcing this regulation as by any reduction of pavement parking.' That seems quite an extraordinary imaginative stretch, and pretty depressing if so, particularly if it means that residents would be more energised by cutting down hedges than dealing with pavement parking (as the comment suggests). But hey, if it's really proveable, then great, crack on with engaging the council on it! Perhaps separately from this...
The comment suggests nothing of the sort
And how about you address the reasons I GAVE to support how David's comment is relevant, rather than being a bully?
Jackie,
It's a consultation about pavement parking. David said categorically that hedges were more of a problem, which would seem unlikely to stand up to scrutiny (though I'm sure people would be open to being convinced with any stats to confirm that).
Deal with hedge issues, absolutely. For what it's worth, I have helped by getting huge trees cut down by Network Rail which overhung from the railway land onto Bedford Road to personally help David, whose passage was often blocked (and thereby helping others), and have consistently cut back the overhanging buddliea on the Triangle which often gets in the way of people walking there. I cut my own hedge back very thoroughly, notice how tight it can be when hedges and pavement parking are combined (e.g. on Palace Gates Road, which is too narrow a pavement to walk on, mostly because of the pavement parking but also with some impact from hedges), so I do of course appreciate hedge issues. It's connected to but separate from this, that's all, and it would be great to focus on making the most of the really timely and welcome pavement parking consultation. That's all.
Hi all, I have seen there's a lot about hedges. They can be a problem, and limit the available path.They can be reported to the Council here: https://new.haringey.gov.uk/streets-roads-travel/road-maintenance-i...
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