Deal all- residents in Crescent Road and Palace Gate Road have alreday received formal notification, for the others I would like to mention that new waste drop boxes are being installed in the triangle and Palace Gate Road. The boxes will be emptied twice each day, between 7am - 8am and 11pm - 5am. The drop boxes are not to be used by traders or businesses. Businesses will continue with the arrangements in place for trade waste collections.
There is also a plan to install two more boxes along Crescent Road. but since this will require the removal of two parking space Haringey by law needs to proceed with a statutory consultation. Below is the location of the black boxes:
and this is the timetable Councillors have been given for the roll-out:
w/c 14 Feb: Deliver introduction letters to residents and businesses
w/c 21 Feb: Installation of boxes
w/c 21 Feb onward - consultation fron 2-3 months on installation of remaining two boxes
A special thank you to Gudrun and Adrian that with their pictures and perseverance have documentated the impact of the lack of a proper waste solution and raised the urgency of the issue.
Please get in touch if you have any comments.
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Excellent article as to how pavement space should be provided & used:
https://therantyhighwayman.blogspot.com/2022/03/trees.html?m=1
These boxes were installed on the pavement without consultation - instead of being put in place of the parked cars. This affords, as usual, too much road space to cars and too little road space to pedestrians (95% of the population are pedestrians, including 81% of the disabled population).
Why is Haringey ignoring its 'inclusive mobility' guidance that says pavements should have a 2m clear width so that wheelchair users can pass each other?
New Traffic Management guidance says space for pedestrians and cyclists need to be increased 'further' ! But it has not been increased at all - in fact it has been reduced further as you can clearly see on all the photos.
Haringey have proven over and over again that they don't care for pedestrians - anything and everything must be done to service our lord and master the motor vehicle.
As a resident who uses the boxes they're absolutely great. We've needed them for years!
Hi Alessandra. Can you point me in the direction of the consultation/formal notification please? I live on Crescent Rd and have received no notification. One of these boxes is now occupying 1/3rd of the pavement on a part of Palace Gates Road that can get busy with people walking - presumably removing this much useable space from pedestrians was also subject to consultation? Or is it just removal of space for parked cars that Haringey feels it must consult on? Thanks.
Many thanks, Alessandra. Something positive on this issue at last! I agree with Ade, however, that having a consultation over placing two such waste boxes does seem excessive ...
Annabel, Grant,
I understand the statutory consultation was required because of the removal of parking space. I need to check if this is because this is a CPZ and residents are paying for the parking space or all removal of parking requires consultation. If I remember correctly only the flats above the shops were consulted, but I am away with intermittent access to council email and will confirm in a couple of days when back. In terms of boxes location when I asked I was told they needed to be as close as possible to the flats they serve and easily accessible and in a place that would not endanger the resident trying to use it , eg where the flower beds are or residents having to cross the street. I will check again with officers about placing boxes on the street, my understanding from previous enquiries is that councils have an obligation to keep highway road free although they need to ensure there is enough space on pavement for pedestrians and therefore comply with observing a minimum width, which I assume it does as the boxes extends as much as the flower beds and the bike rack few metres ahead, but I will check this too. If you have examples of other councils having waste boxes on the streets rather than pavement I would appreciate to hear, in the past days I have looked into this but most of the guidelines I have found relates to new build or to underground storage. I am also looking into the solar powered bins that were suggested on twitter.
Thanks for lots of detail, Alessandra. The consultation that I was referring to, that I thought excessive, was for placing 2 boxes on the road - each wouldn't take up more space than a parked car, and users would need to be on the pavement side of the box to get waste bags into it, so not dangerous.
Annabel,
you are right, I have checked and spoken to the officers, boxes will take as much space as the parked car but the consultation is required because parking will be suspended. I have also been told that in placing the boxes the legal requirements and existing guidelines for pedestrian space and inclusive mobility have also been observed. I have also asked about putting these boxes directly in the street and I have been confirmed that it will be a much more complex solution that would require more coordination between agencies and more budget and would not be of immediate implementation. The black boxes will help to implement a solution in the short term to avoid the open bags on the pavement, while building out in the road space will require the kind of budget, intervention and redesign of the road that will happen with the design of the LTN and parking removal, so it may be more feasible for when this will happen. [I am fully aware of the irony of needing an immediate solution for something that has been raised for a long time, I just hope that now is firmly on the agenda thanks to all the emails and pictures sent].
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